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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.09 17:56:02 -
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John McCreedy wrote:First off, thanks for posting this. It's good that you're prepared to listen rather than railroad through changes. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - *gasp* - AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one mate. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
766
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:12:57 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Yep 2 preformed fleets trying to chase multiple inty gangs around 3 regions sounds exactly like the problem that you're trying to frame as other people's issue. Unless of course you can ban these evil ceptors and just wait at a couple of convenient bubble camped gates. Now that'd be boringly easy to manage wouldn't it? How about you come to nullsec yourself and see how often we get fleets going for no greater reason than "It's monday, time to kill some stuff"? Forming an inty fleet is not the same as forming a supercap fleet. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
767
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:23:30 -
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baltec1 wrote:Having battles over sov consisting of nothing but trollcepters and their ineffective counters is not a healthy game or what CCP wants. Jesus christ I'm agreeing with baltec1....... |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
767
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:32:43 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Alp Khan wrote:You are wrong. Even so, I appreciate your candor. However, this isn't Zulu. Goons, fousands of them, don't shoot til you see the whites of their lies? Coming from a high-sec salvager, who claimed to be an alt of a sovereign null resident when called out for commenting on a type of environment has no prior experience with, your sentence is almost entertaining. Almost. "Guys, my alt is actually Garmon..... no really guyz.... why don't you believe me guyz?"
That being said, I'm left wondering what role CCP has for capitals in the future... |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:18:46 -
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Eli Apol wrote:[quote=Querns]Now instead of attempting to attack the man, try and attack his points Sure. Raise a few points and we'll attack em. Still waiting for any meaningful argument from you in the ISBoxer thread btw. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:44:53 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Now instead of attempting to attack the man, try and attack his points Sure. Raise a few points and we'll attack em. Still waiting for any meaningful argument from you in the ISBoxer thread btw. I see you joined goons to cry in this one as well? Oh look an ad hominem. If you bothered to look, I joined KarmaFleet before the announcement regarding Sov and fighters. But don't let facts get in the way. Let's hear your argument regarding this change. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:16:02 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote: Let's hear your argument regarding this change. Scroll up. I did, and all I really found was ad hominem after strawman after cherry-picking after insult. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:00:53 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:It is hard to imagine this being playtested on Sisi because so much of it WILL be psyops. So we can theroycraft and posture all you want . . . it will be tested when the rubber hits the road. Aren't you just the most useless CSM then? Is this what you've been saying in your official capacity as well? "Gee man, we just don't knowwwwwwww. Forget about trying to predict scenarios where this balance change might fail, just keep throwing **** at the problem and see what sticks instead of getting it right the first time, or as close to it as we can get." Ironically, he said the same thing about ISBoxing and possibly fighters. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.11 05:50:53 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:No, Game mechanics vs stagnation
Aaaaand he dodges my entire callout. GJ. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.11 06:58:07 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I did look at the Skynet thread, still do. I have said there that I am against afk play of any sort and so I am not grr fighters I am grr you do all the work with my tools. So are you also against the proposed change to add a 50-100km bubble around a POS and making fighters scrammable as opposed to the absolute removal?
Quote:The CSM cannot force anything, you know that. If that means you believe us to be useless, well that is your call. I humbly disagree. CSM Corebloodbrother and his near religious hatred of ISBoxers, and his admittance that he forced CCP to turn around regarding ISBoxer discredits your claim.
Quote:But do you honestly believe that all the discussion here about trollceptors has advanced the thought process? I mean after the first ten pages. THAT is what I mean by repetition. If "discussion" you mean arguing over the viability of a ship by an alliance with over eleven THOUSAND members in over 300 corporations that currently owns 138 systems and has some serious thinkers in their rank, vs people who are utterly "grr gewns" and have not proposed any idea that might support their ridiculous claims, then sure. There's a seriously poor signal-to-noise ratio, where most of the signal is the ones telling you to watch out for Interceptors is the signal.
Quote:I am here because this matters (to me and some of you) I'd believe that if we saw more activity from you in the ISBoxer thread, or the fighter thread. |
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.03.11 08:06:37 -
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Carniflex wrote:I have not been keeping an eye who tries to take credit for what, however, the change of policy in regards of ISBoxer was probably a reasonable decision and possibly backed up by the data at CCP disposal (say, based on number of people dropping sub because of "ISBoxer" as the reason). If that was the reason, they would have cited it. If CCP had ANY data, they would have produced it, as they've proven time and again they are a data-driven company first, emotions second.
Quote:If that decision would not have been made then in my opinion after the next 2 to 5 years over half the accounts would have been ISBoxers [Citation needed]
Quote:and those without that program would have been just a content for ISBoxers. [Citation needed]
Quote:the "regular" subs would have kept dwindling as in pay-to-win game the peons get fed up sooner or later. [CITATION BLOODY NEEDED] I've personally seen more people quit in one month due to gankers and scammers than I have because of ISBoxers in my entire 3-4 years of playing EVE Online. I've seen more people complain about scammers and gankers than ISBoxers, I've seen more people dock up and hide over gankers than ISBoxers, and I've certainly seen more damage caused in this game by scammers than ISBoxers. Now let me pause in this semi-rant for a moment to say I support gankers. I've been one myself, and I've been the victim myself. In all my times as a victim, I can safely say I died to my own stupidity and laziness than to any other factors combined. I've also dabbled in scamming, but found it wasn't to my taste. However, I did not go whining to CCP simply because I didn't find it to my liking.
Quote:After "regular" peons would have been gone PLEX prices would have ended up somewhere where even ISBoxers would have had to start using CC for subs or mothball accounts and at that point the ISBoxer related subs would have tanked also hard. Not even touching your "correlation =/= causation" fallacy, there are some ISBoxers who pay with a card for subs rather than PLEX, myself included. I know another boxer who pays for most of his accounts with his card as well. F- it, I'll touch your fallacy. You have no idea how ISBoxer affects PLEX price because there's literally hundreds of different things that could possibly affect such an item. Attempting to single one item out in a sea of hundreds, and pointing to that as a major player, is ludicrous, and any economist worth his salt would laugh you out of his office. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
770
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:04:00 -
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Now if we could get this sort of back-and-forth from you on the ISBoxer thread... |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
770
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:18:03 -
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baltec1 wrote:Veskrashen wrote: I really really hope that CCP continues to allow Entosis Links on Interceptors. It will result in the biggest buckets of nullbear tears since Pheobe.
This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread. Cripes, I really am agreeing with baltec1. Someone must've spiked my coffee..... Though I wish that CCP would implement this for everything.... |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
773
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:26:07 -
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Eli Apol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Eli Apol wrote: But trollceptors are still uncatchable right? You left me hanging on that one.
Flown right then yea Wrong. Even flown right they can be chased down and ruined by a 10km/s T3 dessie (much more with links and implants). Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but oversized propmods kinda kill your agility don't they? All an inty has to do is turn left or right and the T3 will be severely penalized. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
774
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Posted - 2015.03.11 23:03:15 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but oversized propmods kinda kill your agility don't they? All an inty has to do is turn left or right and the T3 will be severely penalized. T3 dessie has an agility buff whilst in prop mode. Ceptor has to change direction enough to make it out of OH scram range from something chasing it at double the speed. *maybe* with superb manual pilotting he might manage it, whilst the chasing dessie only has to press approach - a well timed sling shot *might* work but could be countered by the dessie pilots skill as well. Sounds like a fun or not so fun minute or two for the ceptor pilot at least.
Even with it's agility buff it's a pain in the ass to turn with an oversized, overheated prop mod. The interceptor has a massive advantage in it's agility, and it's immunity to bubbles. An inty can dart onto the field, examine the situation, and GTFO if need be. T3 dessies may move twice as fast, but they still have to finish dropping out of warp, align, and spool up their prop mod in order to catch the interceptor which may be well on it's way to leaving the grid (via warping or physical grid boundaries) if he pays attention to D-scan. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
776
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Posted - 2015.03.14 17:08:56 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:No, but concerns have been voiced and hear. One week to fanfest, months to June m Oh the irony... |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
776
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:26:54 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:No, but concerns have been voiced and hear. One week to fanfest, months to June m Oh the irony... /me laughs I know, right? There is a huge difference between 'heard' and 'listened to' and with text it is damn near impossible to distinguish between them. But even if you are listened to that doesn't mean that you will get your way. Ask any 5 year old. What I am saying is that at fanfest there will be a couple of round tables for sov ( see the schedule) as well as presentations. There will be a chance for talking TO the devs and for them to present the plans for the future. Of course there will be a trailer with grande promises of a sunny future and if you consider those 'promises' then their past record is very poor. That is never what I focus on, with fanfest. It is a cool movie connected to my game, nothing more. What I look at is the people, the reports form folks in the roundtables, the talking one on one with devs. THAT is what I meant about the one week to. but if you think that CCP never listens to anybody but their own echo chamber then you are welcome to believe that. and I am welcome to believe otherwise. Sorry, I don't believe anything CCP says anymore after CCP Seagull and other devs broke their promise that multiboxing wouldn't change / wouldn't be touched, and then again after another CCP dev broke his promise to have a sit-down with the ISBoxers after Jan 1. e: And I know CCP doesn't listen after the WH mass spawn thread, the fighter thread, and the ISBoxer thread. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
776
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:36:52 -
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Zakks wrote:There's always that biomass button, if you don't like the game anymore. Isn't it funny that instead of trying to find a compromise or a solution that would work for both sides, people are so quick to try to push others out of the game? |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
776
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:50:56 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Zakks wrote:There's always that biomass button, if you don't like the game anymore. Isn't it funny that instead of trying to find a compromise or a solution that would work for both sides, people are so quick to try to push others out of the game? How do you expect to find compromise when you Quote:Sorry, I don't believe anything CCP says anymore after CCP Seagull and other devs broke their promise that multiboxing wouldn't change / wouldn't be touched, and then again after another CCP dev broke his promise to have a sit-down with the ISBoxers after Jan 1. If YOU will not listen or trust then what is the point of discussing things with you? m
I tried listening before these threads, and it was CCP who lost my trust. There's only so many times one can say "I'll give you one more try" before giving up. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
782
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Posted - 2015.03.15 14:32:21 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Where else would you have me gather my information, anecdotal? I do that as well but, yes, I take the data presented to me by CCP as true. It is concerning when I look out of my window and see the sky is blue and glorious, only to be told by CCP that they have super secret internal data telling them that it is in fact pouring with rain, and that they will be making decisions about the local availability of sunscreen and raincoats accordingly.
This. |
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
795
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:47:14 -
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Veskrashen wrote:That can make ECM heavy fleets very powerful, assuming enough coordination of course. It also significantly increases the risk for using T1 links, since they have a far higher chance of being disrupted by ECM or simply not being able to complete your initial cycle before the structure is RFed. Just an FYI, ECM is not as used as damps or TD because ECM is chance based while damps and TDs aren't. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
795
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Posted - 2015.03.23 23:36:27 -
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Soldarius wrote:On subject, yeah, I'm still holding out for Entosis Links being fieldable only on link-capable ships like CBC and CS. INB4 prophecy fleet. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:38:55 -
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After spending a day bashing towers and contemplating life choices, I can say for certain HP sov > entosis sov. |
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